Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert 'Sean' Mitchell

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 00:45, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert 'Sean' Mitchell[edit]

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Non-notable. Only biographical coverage is a book written by his wife and published by his daughter. Does not meet WP:GNG. Yunshui ^雲 _水 00:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If doubt persists, I would suggest moving it into a draft. It would be incubate in draftspace. - Not logged in

Is notable. Meets WP:GNG. Only one book published due to anonymity of activities and political conflict. Book published 20 years after death of author. Biographical information included in notable book which is stored in national library archives and used by historians in other publications and housing development in homeplace named after him. Article mentions section of book where Mitchell was offered Command of the Southern Division of Irish Free State Army by politician and general Michael Collins, which he turned down. - Not logged in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.31.99.253 (talk) 05:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Main claim to notability seems to be that subject was a member of the IRA during the Irish War of Independence. In relation to this possible NN claim, I would note that there is no available evidence that the subject meets WP:MILPERSON (to the extent that this subject is any more notable than the 15,000 other people who were members of the IRA during the same conflict. "Captain" doesn't meet the rank expectations of WP:MILPERSON). In terms of WP:GNG it seems pretty clear (given that the only material source is the single "family memoir" stle work published by the subject's own immediate relatives) that SIGCOV is not met. That we are otherwise relying on self-published genealogical sources and trivial mentions (to support the content) would seem to reinforce this. In short, mine is a firm "delete" recommendation. (The author might also do well to heed the continued and repeated advice about not using Wikipedia as a free web-host for family genealogy content). Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. His accomplishments as an IRA captain aren't even specified. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete being the subject of writing by family, that seems to also have been self published, is not a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the rationale above, and per that at the Maud Mitchell page, the wife. Both pages seem to have been published by family members... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utopes (talk • contribs)
Delete per nom. Spleodrach (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He was NOT a communist. Story re Michael Collins is untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:6A00:7D00:1DD3:1306:6BB1:CF8A (talk) 10:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He was not privileged. Mitchell family were lock keepers on the Grand Canal with a small piece of land. He lived with a large family in a small lock house owned by the Grand Canal Company.

He was a member of Fianna Fáil in later life.

The reference to Tim Quill is irrelevant as they had little in common and rarely if ever met.

He had no accountancy qualification.

He had little interest in religion regarding all all similar and is unlikely to have studied Newman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:6A00:7D00:1DD3:1306:6BB1:CF8A (talk) 11:08, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not a single source in the article is reliable. This page appears to be one of a string of page memorials for someone's family members. Even though he's deceased, the allegations that the subject was the member of a criminal organization or a closeted communist makes me especially wary. There's no evidence that he was at notable for any reason. I remind the gentle reader that we are a charity, not a free obit service. The subject, on its face, was an ordinary person. Bearian (talk) 19:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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